Again it seems tht the issue of basics skills and bad grammar has again raised its beast like head as if the phoenix from the ashes.

I believe that the second team are a democratic group of individuals based on that legendary (or indeed folklore) order of the round table. i.e the believe in equality and fairness. with this in mind they were not as you quite elegantly put it 'slagging people off' they were simply debating and negotiating what would be a fairer and more just way of conducting their business.

With regards to the issue of players mentioned only Garran trains and plays for the seconds regulary, some of the others do not feel that the second team are of high enough status for them to covort with. Instead they pretend to be injured or having other plans (eg watching CCFC) and then go watch the firsts rather than having game time.

The only way forward on this dispute is to either:
1.) Have everyone to have an open frank debate on the real issues why some (not all) seconds dont train, the selction process, why some of the Firsts who do not train still get picked and why some first team players feel that they do not have to play for the seconds as a route into the first team.

2.) or my favourite: All players of the senior set up stop complaining like little girls and get up on the training field and the coaches to let the session move in a direction that lets the wheat be seperated from the CHAVs (both first and second, because having played for both over many years there are honestly some firsts that are rubbish as well as some seconds that should be turds).

and lets get both sides reaching to where they should be (and thats a lot higher than where both are at the moment)

Bring back some contact sessions where players who want to fight for their position can!!!!!!!!!

well padawen maybe people like you are the problem with welsh rugby. How can slagging off and generally being negative. Be a good thing. Surely all our teams should be pulling in the same direction. Not distances themselves and dragging each other down. My concern is for the younger players in the 2nds who are not being shown a good example by some of the senior players in the 2nd squad. how the hell are these players ever going to develop if they are not training. Lets be honest our 1st are having a very good season. They just come off a 12 game winning streak. We are 3rd in the league and in still in the cup. Who could u drop from that squad? and replace them with whom? If we where losing then fine. But surely you do not change a winning formula. The way i see it is. Its easier to stay at home on a tuesday+thursday watching eastenders. Then to actually go training work hard and put your hand up. Its also very easy to slag off coaches and everybody else for your lazy ass. MUPPETS

where are all these second team meetings, where they are supposedly "slagging people off" people obviously dun look at the relationships between first and seconds players who sit together and have a drink week in week out with the coaches, this rift in the club between first and seconds is a load of bollocks, im a young member playing for the seconds and i look upto to every senior member of the team and coaching staff and have respect for all of them as they have helped me improve my game and given constructive critisism. I mite not ever get into the first but i couldn't give a toss, im one of a few 2nds team players that train tuesdays and thursdays when i can and i train to play and i play because i love the game, if ur dropped u are going to be gutted so improve your performance and get back in the squad don't bitch and cry about it, so all this sh*t on this forum is a load of bollocks y dun people put names on here to show who is saying what !!!

and who the f**k is craig locke he is Tub one of if not the best 2nd row in the club at the moment.

Max, you've been awfully presumptious there mate. As for me being the sole reason behind Welsh rugby's inability to have a positive outlook, are you telling me you've never, not once, sat down after one of the 1st's games and decided that someone didn't do their job? No, of course you haven't because it seems Max that you are the only impartial watcher of rugby on this planet. As for your question "how can slagging people off and generally being negative be a good thing?", you should probably pay more attention to our head coaches-as I can tell you now, they are not positive and uplifting characters. Their approach is the same as every other rugby fan-with the exception of yourself. So I mean, you seem to be the shining light of Welsh rugby, indeed world rugby. Good luck.

there ar now a few weeks left of the season, these boys who are complaining about not playing 1st team rugby need to look at them selves now. Start hard traing (on their own or as well as with the club) ready for pre season trainging in the summer, so thay can trun up there fit and ready to show they are ready for 1st team rugby. there is no point being un fit come the summer,
1) get fit
2) get tough
3) turn up in the summer and show ur the bussiness.

it take more than a few months looking at the state of some of the player out there.
If u want it u gota come and grab it ,,
I am ,, see u in the summer!!

Padawen, You are right i am a one off. You miss my point. Everybody is entitled to critise players if they so wish but lets be honest only a complete moron could find negative in our current sitution. 12 games unbeaten semi final of cup. If you look closely enough you will find negative in everything. The first are playing some top rugby at moment. But u muppet have found a negative in that. Im guessing your pint is always half empty.
You did not answer my question though. Which 1st team player would you drop from the current squad and which 2nd team player would you replace them with. Like i said u cant change a winning formula.
I would like to take this oppurnity to apolgise for putting the wrong name on here. I mistakenly put tubs name on here instead of monkeys. I have brought deep shame on my family and friends and at the moment finding it hard to live with myself. IM SORRY!!!!!!

so why did nicky griff get dropped?? He been playing ok havent he. I know pod is prob better but treherbert would be confidence builder.

ok i will admit when i am wrong. Nicky as been playing well. I would not have dropped him for tonights game.

No I'm sorry, but I haven't found a negative in the way the firsts are playing, in fact I think they are by far the best side in the league atm undoubtedly. I'm not going to bother with the whole "only a moron could find a negative lark" cause it seems somebody got there first. I'm not here to pick fights mate, I'm just here tp express an opinion like you-I am sorry if it's a different opinion to yours but that's the beauty of these forum things. I never said I would replace anyone from the firsts atm, but if you so wish, I'd put mayo in at full back. Congrats to the boys on Friday, we're looking good fair do's.